Trip report Yorkshire Dales 31st March and April 1st 2012
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Plans sometimes happen to come together late. My plan to go to the Peak District got cancelled. A phone call to James , chat, decide, we had a plan. Remote Yorkshire Dales. "Sold."
Day 1.
14.01 Km 449.1m Ascent
The drive to Hebdon was uneventful, traffic light. I arrived early - the cafe passed my time with a hot coffee, some tweets and checking emails. James showed up on time. Packs were checked, then shouldered, Ruben was loaded with his own doggie pack and we set off out of the village.
Ruben was the centre of attention from van drivers and walkers in the village. His pack seemed to focus people's interest and lead several to ask about him.
The weather was a little overcast, a cold wind blew down the valley as we walked up the path beside Hebdon Beck. Hard shells and wind proof tops kept us warm from the chilling wind.
Old ruins lined the path. It was clear the area was once a heavily mined and industrialised area as people of another age had carved out a living in the hills and moors.
We chatted about walks planned and the hope of good weather for them. As we followed good tracks higher a couple came along with a lamb in their arms. They asked us if there was a farm nearby? They explained the ewe had died leaving the lamb helpless. We gave what we hoped was the location of the farm, wished them good luck and headed on our way.
Old chimneys and ruins dotted the horizon here - we stopped to take in the surroundings. Dark clouds were starting to rescind as blue slowly took hold of the sky. The weather was improving, but I kept my hardshell on to fend off the cold biting wind still.
We stepped off the track by an old sheep fold to have a spot of lunch. James noticed traps had been set to capture what the local keepers deemed vermin. We deemed them worthy wildlife that did not need to die a cruel death. Grouse shooting is the big business on these moors; ensuring nothing touches the grouse is the keepers' preoccupation, it seems, based on the amount of traps we found.
Lunch had, we made our way onto the open moor. Heading to Meugher.
The moor was dry mostly; the bog crisp to walk on in most places. We enjoyed the views, took photos, picked our way up between any bits that looked wet still and gained height.
A fence high up was soon crossed and the high point of the walk was before us. We chose the angle we wanted to go up by and headed up to the summit of Meugher. From here it looked a good hill.
Whoever wrote that Meugher was uninviting clearly has no appreciation for wild land, nor remote places. It had good expansive views. We decided on a warm day carrying up water with us it would make a fine wild camp.
James' dog just seemed so relaxed, waiting for us while we took in the views and snapped away with cameras.
From Meugher we decided to head to where we planned to camp. Rough ground lay ahead. Peat groughs cut deep trenches into the hillside. We had a few dicey moments crossing them, a long jump here, and run down and up there. To avoid the worst we pushed high to the watershed which gave us the best underfoot conditions.
A final fence crossing of the day set us up to drop down into the valley to find a wild camp spot.
Great Whernside dominated the view here and we decided the valley was best, based on the need for water to cook our meals.
Mossdale beck had good spots to camp and shelters soon went up. Single skin MLD ones. Light. All you need, in truth, outside of winter. Packs laid down we made our shelters drum tight against any wind that might blow in the night. Ruben, tired, went to sleep as we made camp.
As the sun set, the cold was already forming ice on the shelters. A frozen night laid ahead. I played with the camera for a while trying to take night shots with numb fingers - but soon decided it was too cold to bother. James had given up sooner to retreat into his warm down sleeping bag, wrapped up to fend off the chill.
A warm brew before settling down for the night was essential. It was a freezing by now. James gave up measuring it at -4. I used a summer quilt that I wanted to try for a big walk later this year. I had on: base-layer, MLD bivy and down jacket. I was just warm and at times I felt cold. I planned for down to zero, but it was colder than that by a long way. Ice coated the inner and outer of the shelter with its cold grip. I slept for a little, awoke, curled up trapping what warmth I had close to me and drifted back to sleep. This was a repeated theme throughout the night.
Day 2
9.63 Km 84.5m Ascent
A cold dawn greeted us with no amazing sunrise. I was wrapped in warm down jacket with the stove on the go, desperate to get warm drinks into me. Ruben came to say hello. His master was, like me, busy making hot drinks to get warm.
We were in the shade. Adding the dark shadow from the hill to our side keeping the sun from us, and in the cold, it was not the best spot to have camped on a cold night. At least I had put my gas canister in the quilt to keep it warm and my stove soon had a warm drink and breakfast made. James' stove spluttered and took a bit longer to boil his drink as he had left his gas canister out in the cold.
We were in the shade. Adding the dark shadow from the hill to our side keeping the sun from us, and in the cold, it was not the best spot to have camped on a cold night. At least I had put my gas canister in the quilt to keep it warm and my stove soon had a warm drink and breakfast made. James' stove spluttered and took a bit longer to boil his drink as he had left his gas canister out in the cold.
I soon packed and shook the ice from my shelter. James too had to give his shelter a good shake to clear the ice.
Once packed we climbed up on to the track running up the valley and out of the shade. It was a nice day to be out walking. The valley made for a pleasant way to warm up the legs as we headed back to the cars at last in the warm rays of the sun.
We came to Mossdale Scar and James told me about its tragic history. A huge cave is below it and the river, which can flood very fast, flows into it. Many years ago a group of young cavers lost their lives here and they lie buried there still now. Back home, I looked up the history and also found that some still venture into this highly complex and severe cave system.
From there the landscape became more classic Dales. Limestone dotted the hillside and the views this sunny day were superb. An easy walk down the hillside and valley to pick up the Dales Way path.
We stopped to take photos of one section of limestone pavement and phone home to wives and partners. Best to keep them happy. Smoothes the cogs for future walks.
The Dales way here is a good path. In places it was like walking on a bowling green. Day walkers were spotted heading up below. A mountain biker worked hard on the ascent up the track. We took in the views and Conistone Dib gave fine views.
The Dales Way took us to Grassington and a cafe. Again Ruben was the centre of attention with his rucksack. Bacon rolls and coffee on a sunny morning made the ideal way to wind down a walk.
A limestone wall lined track led us back to Hebdon from here. Easy walking. Shepherds drove by tending their flocks in preparation for the lambing season now taking hold. Their life seems so far removed from the needs and issues I and James deal with working with the homeless and vulnerable.
A fine walk with a sense of remoteness in the summit of Meugher. Wild land with good company. A good trip all-round. I would not cross the peat bogs up by Meugher in wet conditions but when it's dry this is a good backpacking destination. Helpful training for the big walks to come this year.
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46 comments:
I mentioned on James' report that we bypassed Meugher on our backpack, the going looked abominably rough from the SE side - certainly we'll try next time from that side. The summit and views do look inviting, as I always say there's no such thing as a boring hill.
I think you were lucky with the water too, we didn't find a drinkable drop in the gills on Stean Moor, it's all horrible.
I spy a good parking area in Hebden by that wall in that photo - you reckon?.
No hill is boring Geoff and agree. Meugher is a fine hill. Carry water up and south side of the summit I spotted many spots to pitch up on. Make for a splendid camp in good weather. Also the parking by that wall is were we left cars. A fine spot to leave a car for a multi day walk.
Lovely looking trip with superb views. I love the expansive views you get with moorland type hills. Sounds like it was a bit cold overnight though! Since doing backpacking on my own, I've discovered how cold I actually sleep. Even below freezing, with Geoff and I together in zipped-together sleeping bags - even our 2 season ones - I'm always lovely and warm as Geoff is like a radiator. On my own, I could quite happily use my winter bag in the middle of summer.
Looks like we've all been caught out by the cold snap. I took my summer quilt on a trip the other weekend and spent the night doing crunches to keep warm! You called it right the other week on Twitter Martin: Winter's not done yet.
Terrible story about Mossdale Scar, thanks for posting the link.
Martin you take a very good photo. I particularly like the ones of James shaking off the frost from his Trailstar.
Thanks for that - Most enjoyable.
Still a bit stunned by the link to the caving tragedy. I had not heard of that before today.
The idea of being trapped like that is nightmarish.
I like the contrast of the terrain between the two days walk. Brilliant photos. I, too, like the shot of James de-icing his shelter.
I do feel the cold Chrissie and James states he is a cold sleeper. Saying that the claims of some kit makers strikes me as a bit out. Kit rated to -15 not being ideal at -4 or -5, seems unacceptable to me.
Those wide moorland views can be superb. I like the big sky and hight combination moorland can bring.
I took a Spirit 48 Joe and not my 28. Massive test of its limit. But I will be fine in summer. I have a summer walk coming up and the quilt will be used then. Winter has not decided to leave without a last bite. MRT teams had to deploy in blizzards last week. I expect more dumps of snow in Scotland could happen this week. All adds to the challenge.
I shall add a separate comment on Mossdale Scar as others have mentioned that. Thanks Joe.
Glad you like the photos Mark. I am planning on taking photos a bit more series with a DSLR my choice now, and reading up on some good photo books. Light,location and good composition all help still. One thing you wont get is forgery with manipulation and the like of a photo to look nothing like what was seen. That I cant abide. Cheers.
It was a good wee trip Alan. You would have liked it. Cave tragedy was a bit of a shocker to me when James told me. I shall add a comment on it.
The trailstar does have a large footprint and thus collected a good amount of ice. Made for a good photo. I am encouraged when people like the photos and like I said to Mark - I plan to improve. Thanks for commenting. Its appreciated.
Martin, it is always fascinating to read your trip reports and to watch your blog evolve. I like the new look of the blog and enjoyed your trip report.The photos of ice being shaken off the Trailstar are impressive.
On the cave disaster. I was shocked when I first found out about it. I could see how the beck so easily floods and this cave is a trap in bad weather. But on reflection I also think this. I am a backpacker. I am drawn to high and remote places in the UK. I desire wild land and that in its self puts me at risk, yet I go.
The Cairngorms is a place that draws me time and time again. Yet it has claimed the lives of many - sometimes groups of young people have lost their young and promising lives there. Yet I go and many here who comment go.
So the cavers' who are drawn with a desire to explore that cave with a desire that grips them. Many other cave systems have taken lives; and will do again again. In perspective the Three Counties is the largest cave network in the Dales with 87km of cave network. My research says 17 people have died there. So to caver's who still go into Mossdale they must see it as a challenge, but one they see as not worse maybe than others.
We backpackers are drawn to wild places so often where lives have been lost and caver's the same. The sad and terrible loss of life in Mossdale Scar is even more shocking to us as the bodies still lie buried in a far high chamber. I hope no one goes to the far marathon chamber but I expect some have. I don't explore caves. I have once. I expect hundreds have gone down the cave over the years and still many more plan to. For me the respect of the grave and wishes of the families of the lost needs to be respected. But the desire and drive to delve into and explore deep places will drive many deep into it time and time again I expect. As much as backpackers, climbers and walkers will explore wild areas that have taken life and will do again.
Roger thanks. New look is taking shape and I plan to host all blog photos on Google platforms now. We aim to please. Its appreciated when I get feedback. Thanks.
Aye, your right, there is no such thing as a boring hill. Nice trip, even if jack frost came out to play unexpectedly! I too like the trailstar ice removal pics, they add the human element missing in a lot of outdoor blog pics.
That was a cracking 24 hours in the hills Martin, always nice to read and view pics from another persons perspective. The trailstar ones came out really well. Good to backpack with you again.
Blogs are about peoples views, interactions and like Sandy. So Agree very much human element makes for a good blog and photo. Frost needs to go home now. I like warm and + 1 and above.
A great trip and time James and thanks for the invite.
Oooh frosty! Nice write up Martin.
Enjoyed reading this and your pics as usual are sweet, I haven't spent much time in the dales and its the closest place for me to travel too, hopefully this year bit more exploring in the dales I think thanks for sharing.
Cold fun still Carl. Get out Challenge training now. Thanks,
Muss, the Dales are great walking. Do some miles and enjoy them. Glad you like the photos. Sharing is a joy.
Hi Martin,
Very brave not taking a warm fluffy -10+ sleeping bag. I am not a lover of feeling cold at night. I do agree that you need to find out limits of gear and for that reason i can understand what you took.
Pictures are great as usual and apart from the cold nights you seemed to have done well with the weather. We enjoyed reading your walk, lovely area.
So Martin, you kept all the nice weather for this trip eh!
Looks like you had a cracking few days.
I am now all set up with Trailstar all seam sealed. An Oooknest from Sean, and am MLD Bivvy.
I hope to be field testing it all in the Lakes on Mr Sloman's Daunder the week after next.
You got some alright weather in the end then :) I pictured you two out in thick clag and rain. Lovely pics too and a very very sad story concerning Mossdale Scar. Very sad indeed
That looked a brilliant trip amongst some great Yorkshire countryside. A very enjoyable report and the photography is excellent.
I need to push some kit to see how it performs for my main big trip of the year Alan. Got it sussed and next trip should be what I need for that trip. The kit for the big one is sussed more or less. Weekend and three four day trips do help to refine what kit will do for the big ones. Thanks as always Alan.
Good to go then Andrew. Keep the rest of the kit weight down and you'll glide over the tops on the TGOC. Have a good trip with Alan and I look forward to good reports.
Me and James do tend to get bad weather. Nice change with recent walks. It was a good walk Terry. Nice pace and varied terrain. Always good when its like that.
Drop south and bag some Dales hills Nick. Warm and nice down south you know ;). There is a timeless charm about the Dales that has to be enjoyed Nick.
Very informative, thanks! Pretty cool harnss for dog:-)
The dog harness Bushcrafter is handy. It has a handle which allows you to pick up the dog and haul him over fences and the like.
James made Ruben haul his own food. Earns his keep that dog. Thanks for commenting.
Another great post Martin. Very descriptive account of the trip and the photos are brilliant. I'm curious as to how much water you carry when you camp.
Simon glad you like the post. I use about 2L most times. In the Dales this time we camped by water so I brewed plenty. I did a post on water for camp recently.
http://summitandvalley.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/water-for-high-wild-camps.html
Ian Howells left this comment and Disqus failed to show it.
"Looks like a great spot to camp! I've been up on Bleaklow and Crowden over the last couple of weeks and am really starting to gain an appreciation of the moors and their bleak emptiness, not been in Yorks Moors or dales since my Coast to Coast but looks like a good spot for reacquainting myself!"
Thanks Ian and go visit the Dales. Moors have the big sky feel too them. Just wonderful.
Got the comment to show at last Ian. Moors do offer wide views and big sky with that wild land experience. Enjoy.
I shall have a look Danny. Cheers for the link.
Great looking trek, Meugher I understand pronounced something like 'Moofer' has always been one of those high points I see, and say I really must bag that one one of these days. I often walk in that area, Great Whernside, around the Thorpe Fell area's etc, so I think you've finally convinced me to visit that boggy mound!
Thanks
Pick a dry day Steve. Boggy would be true when wet. It's also a grouse moor, so take care if the estate is shooting and if you have a dog with you. It's a nice hill and hope you have a good walk.
Lovely couple of days out there Martin, some great photos to capture the wild spirit of these lonely moors that I've never heard of or visited even though I used to just live down the road. Never ceases to amaze me how much varirty and solitude you can find on our little island if you seek it out
Nugets of joy abound in this Island nation Andy. From the coast, to high summits there is so much. I often thought about the hills on the outlying edges - this was one that proves the point. Get off the path often travelled and find something new. Thanks as always for sharing here.
I read this ages ago and only now am getting around to commenting! The Dales look like a lovely destination. The Mossdale story is equally sad and terrifying, thanks for posting!
The Dales seem to draw me back Fraser. The latest post is another walk there. I feel I need a big walk in the Dales to meet a deep need to explore more of this charming landscape.
Looks like a great spot to camp! I've been up on Bleaklow and Crowden over the last couple of weeks and am really starting to gain an appreciation of the moors and their bleak emptiness, not been in Yorks Moors or dales since my Coast to Coast but looks like a good spot for reacquainting myself!
Great trip thanks for posting, prompted me to post some photo's around the begining of your walk from Hebden (en)
http://teddytourteas.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/teddy-tours-through-hole-bottom.html
cheers Danny
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